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For example, one of the ways an adversary can use AI is to optimize which victims they focus on. We see the results of what comes out of an event, as opposed to seeing the way it was put together. It’s a bit difficult to know definitively whether certain types of attacks have been guided with AI. As a reality check on that front, have you seen that happen, where attackers are using AI?

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You have that technology race: If you use AI, they’ll use AI. VentureBeat: We always talked about that cat and mouse game that happens, when either side of the cyberattackers or defenders turns up the pressure. We have to be ready for AI to be used by everyone, including the adversaries. We’re using a combination of what we call human-machine teaming, security operators working with AI to do investigations and understand threats. We’re using it for detection of unknown malicious activity and unknown malicious software on endpoints.

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We’re using it for classification on the back end. If you look at McAfee as an example, we’re using AI across our product line. It’s a very easy thing to do in 20, to say, “We’re using sophisticated AI capabilities for cybersecurity defense.” With that said, I think that hype and buzz around AI makes it so that it’s one of the areas that companies will generally call out, especially if they’re a startup or new company, where they don’t have other elements to base their technology or reputation yet. Steve Grobman: The barrier to entry for using sophisticated AI has come way down, meaning that almost every cybersecurity company working with data is going to consider and likely use AI in one form or another. What’s important, and how do we separate some of the reality from the hype that has created and funded so many AI security startups? I wanted to probe a bit more into that from your point of view. Unfortunately, they didn’t have a list of security-focused AI startups. They said they’re aware of between 12,000 and 15,000 AI startups right now.

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VentureBeat: I did a call with Nvidia about their tracking of AI.














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